The U.S. Justice Department has made public several hours of interviews between Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein’s accomplice and convicted sex trafficker of minors, and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche. The interviews took place over two days while Maxwell was in federal prison in Tallahassee.
She has since been moved to a minimum-security prison in Bryan, Texas. The files contain both redacted transcripts and audio recordings.
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Even though she was convicted for helping Epstein sexually abuse minors, she claimed during these interviews that she never trafficked anyone or saw anything illegal or involving minors.
She also said she believed all the so-called “masseuses” who worked on Epstein were adults.
“I saw him with lots of masseuses. I never saw a single masseuse ever look unhappy or not come back or whatever. So based on my observation, I don’t think that if you are being raped, as now he’s like this prolific — I just — I just can’t imagine why you would return,” Maxwell told Blanche.
“That’s not what you observed at the time?” Blanche asked.
“Not what I observed at the time, no,” Maxwell replied.
Claims about Trump, Clinton and Harvard figure
She also elaborated on Epstein’s relationship with high-profile friends, including President Donald Trump and former President Bill Clinton, claiming neither one was a client.
“I actually never saw the president in any type of massage setting. I never witnessed the president in any inappropriate setting in any way. The president was never inappropriate with anybody. In the times that I was with him, he was a gentleman in all respects,” Maxwell told Blanche, according to the transcripts. She also claims she was only ever around Trump in social settings, not private.
Maxwell also said that she was a personal friend of Bill Clinton before he had any kind of relationship with Epstein. When Blanche asked her if Clinton had ever received a massage, she said, “I don’t believe he did.”
Maxwell said the only times Clinton and Epstein were in the same place was when Clinton flew with Epstein “26 times or whatever,” adding, “I don’t believe there was ever a massage on the plane. So that would’ve been the only time that I think that President Clinton could have even received a massage. And he didn’t, because I was there.” She did elaborate that one of Epstein’s aircraft was equipped with a private quarters that had a bed.
Maxwell claims former Harvard Provost Henry Rosovsky received a massage.
“And why do you — why does that stick out in your memory?” Blanche asked.
“Because I saw him in a bathrobe at 71st Street, and he had received a massage, he told me,” Maxwell responded.
Defense of Prince Andrew, dismissal of Giuffre’s allegations
She also defended Prince Andrew and denied the accusations made by Virginia Giuffre, one of the most prominent accusers in Epstein’s case. Giuffre, whose name was redacted several times in the transcript, long claimed that Maxwell paid her to have sex with powerful men, including Prince Andrew. Maxwell rejects those claims.
Maxwell called Giuffre’s allegations “not conceivable” because her house was so tiny.
“Where she says that they had relations in a bathroom, I — first of all, the bath is an old Victorian bath. I could — I’m quite — quite small, it’s tight for me. I put my brother in there to see what would happen. And it looks like a blivet, which is a sausage in like a very tight skin. So her description of whatever the two people were doing in the tub, that wouldn’t work,” Maxwell said of Giuffre’s claims.
Maxwell spoke at length about Giuffre, claiming that she was a frequent drug user who was groomed by another man at a young age to perform sex acts.
Giuffre’s family said she died by suicide in April of this year. Authorities claim Epstein committed suicide while awaiting trial in August 2019.
