New book says Trump told Pence ‘you’ll go down as a wimp’ on Jan. 6


Summary

Book quotes Pence notes

A book to be released Tuesday says former Vice President Mike Pence’s day planner quoted President Donald Trump pushing him to block certification of the 2020 election and saying that “you’ll go down as a wimp.”

Prosecutor’s view

Special counsel Jack Smith reportedly planned to use Pence’s notes as evidence and believed he could convict Trump of trying to obstruct the 2020 election results.

Rally to riot

The book says Trump edited his Ellipse speech to target Pence. The ensuing attack on the Capitol resulted in five deaths and injuries to about 140 police officers.


Full story

Mike Pence’s handwritten notes from Jan. 6, 2021, quoted Donald Trump saying the vice president would “go down as a wimp” and urging him to block certification of the 2020 presidential election. The notes, taken in Pence’s day planner, are cited in ”Retribution: Donald Trump and the Campaign that Changed America,” a new book by journalist Jonathan Karl.

The Washington Post and The Hill reported on the book ahead of its release Tuesday.

Karl used the notes to describe how Trump pressured Pence to block certification of Joe Biden’s victory — a step Pence had said he lacked authority to take.

The notes offer contemporaneous documentation of Trump’s pressure campaign before the Capitol attack, material that special counsel Jack Smith planned to use as evidence if his case had gone to trial, according to The Post. Smith wrote that he believed he had enough to convict Trump of trying to obstruct the 2020 results, The Post reported.

What the notes say

“You’ll go down as a wimp,” Pence wrote, quoting Trump in a Jan. 6 phone call. He also wrote that Trump said he “made a big mistake 5 years ago” by choosing him as vice president.

“You listen to the wrong people, Trump also told Pence, who scribbled an angry face above the note, according to the Post. Pence reportedly wrote that he replied, “I listen to my heart and my mind.”

The Post added that ABC News reported the book also describes a “forensic copy of Trump’s own phone,” showing his digital activity on Jan. 6 and that he changed his Ellipse speech to target Pence directly.

A pro-Trump mob stormed the Capitol after that speech, resulting in five deaths and injuries to about 140 law enforcement officers.  Pence, inside the complex with his family, was evacuated as rioters chanted “Hang Mike Pence!” The Hill noted ABC previously aired an interview with a former Situation Room officer who said Pence came “close” to being killed that day.

Trump continues to describe the 2020 election as “rigged” and says he was unfairly prosecuted. Pence has defended his actions on Jan. 6 as constitutional.

Alan Judd (Content Editor) and Devan Markham (Morning Digital Producer) contributed to this report.
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Why this story matters

Handwritten notes from Mike Pence detail how Donald Trump pressed him to block certification of the 2020 election, providing documented evidence relevant to investigations into efforts to overturn the election results and the events leading up to the January 6 Capitol attack.

Election certification pressure

The story reveals direct pressure from Donald Trump on Mike Pence to impede the 2020 election certification, highlighting the internal White House dynamics preceding the January 6 Capitol events.

Contemporaneous documentation

Pence's handwritten notes serve as real-time documentation of conversations and actions, representing a potentially critical piece of evidence for investigators and contributing to the historical record.

Accountability and investigation

The notes are cited as planned evidence by Special Counsel Jack Smith and are relevant to ongoing legal and public discussions about attempts to obstruct the peaceful transfer of power following the 2020 election.

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