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‘I don’t trust Kamala’: Why some Black men are voting Trump

September 18, 2024

Dr. Frank Luntz (Commentary Contributor)

Around 1 in 4 Black American men under 50 are planning to vote for Donald Trump. How do they justify their decision? — Image credit: Getty Images

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An overwhelming majority of Black Americans say they plan to vote for Kamala Harris as the next U.S. president. Around one-quarter of Black men under 50, however, say they plan to support Donald Trump instead.

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In an election that appears too close to call. Every vote in every swing state matters, but some votes matter more than others. Donald Trump is having trouble among suburban voters and younger women in particular, but there are some groups where he is far outperforming the usual Republican vote. One group vital for the Democrats on election day are younger African American men, usually a reliable vote for the Democrats, but this time, black men under age 40 seem to be up for grabs, and that’s not typical of any election we at America speaks wanted to understand why they’re up for grabs, so we convened a national conversation with younger black men supporting Donald Trump. Get ready to have your assumptions challenged. This is a conversation you can only get right here on straight arrow news,

I have been waiting with anticipation for this conversation,

and I’m sure that people looking at this zoom right now and the people who are on it have jumped to conclusions about what you all are going to say about American politics. I want to begin this with a simple question to each one of you, individually. Manuel, I’m going to start with you. If the electoral held today, who would you go for?

Definitely, Donald Trump. Kenneth,

Donald Trump,

Chianti Donald Trump,

Tyree, Donald Trump. Michael Trump,

Damien,

Damien, we can’t hear you.

Donald J Trump, I’m sorry. James

Trump, Chris Trump. KD

Trump, Kittrell,

Donald Trump, Carlin, Donald Trump, Kareem,

Donald Trump, Naeem,

big 45 ancient orange. Donald Trump,

okay, we do the jokes in a couple minutes. And Dan,

Okay, I gotta understand from you all. You know that typically, the African American community casts over 90% of their votes for

Democrats. You know that in the last election, Joe Biden got over 90 90% of the black vote. Go back to 2016 same thing with Hillary Clinton. It’s always been 88 92%

this is the first election where the Republican candidate, in some polls, is getting 1/3

of the younger male black vote, 40 years of age and under Why are you voting for Trump when your community has so historically voted for the Democratic candidate, and this time, that candidate is herself, African American. Who wants to start?

I mean, I’ll honestly start. I’ll say that, you know, I’m really a Democrat. And if it was a another day and another time in another age, I probably will be going toward the Democratic side of voting. But in the time that we live in, in the the four years that we just had coming off of a democratic run, I feel like the change that everyone keeps asking for and that they’re looking for is is really a Republican change. When, when Republican was in office and we had to deal with covid, the economy was stronger. There were more jobs. There were things going on inside covid That should probably not even have been happening during covid, you know, because of the lockdown, because of everything. And then now, four years later, after Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, who was just the Vice President, we’re in office. Nothing really changed. Nothing got better. A lot of stuff got worse, you know. And I feel like a Republican changes what we need. And I feel like Donald Trump is the answer. I’ll just, I’ll just do, I’ll just say it real quick. Uh, for me personally, I’m, 20 Oh, I’m about to be 21 like next week,

but I’m I’m basically voting for Trump because, almost for the same reason, a lot of people don’t vote for Trump. It’s like I am basically voting against the Democratic Party. I noticed, Frank did mention that, you know, your community typically votes a certain way. I don’t really identify with any community, but Christians. I’ma just be honest with you, and I do think there’s a Christian case to be made for either political party that’s, you know, that’s your own conviction. But I do think that there’s a lot of groups that are currently.

I do currently, I currently, think that the the.

Democratic Party of today has veered so far to the left that it’s becoming the general the the general nominee, the person that’s running for president, is basically a socialist, like, like, I would, I would like something more center. I think Trump is actually not as right as people say he is, which is actually quite interesting. So he’s actually the center candidate, so I’m voting basically against the Democratic Party just to wrap up somebody that wants to start a family within the next 10 years. I’m literally at my girlfriend’s dorm while she’s out, going to get

the food. I’m trying to you know, I know why she’s now. I know why she’s your girlfriend,

No, but seriously, I want to marry her. Probably I must turn 21 I want to marry before I turn 26 don’t tell her, but you know, but I do have a vested interest in how the economy is going to look, and I don’t really think that I can trust Kamala or anybody from the Democratic or, let me just say, the most prevalent voices in the Democratic party today, you have a candidate in Kamala Harris that’s not taking this job seriously. Everything’s a joke. Everything’s a laugh. She hasn’t rolled out any legitimate or substantive policies on anything that would even help most Americans, minus the $6,000 for $6,000 that she spoke about on the debate and the $25,000

for for to buy a home as somebody that owns a lot of real estate, of course, I would raise prices on that to piggyback off with with the last guy said that she has a socialist agenda. She’s trying to do price fixing and grocery stores. I mean, I could go down the list. Nevertheless, I just don’t think that she’s right for this country, or that she will move this country forward, or that she would make she would make solid economic decisions. Last point for the past four years we’ve been in, we’ve been in multiple proxy wars across this country,

she acts like nothing’s happening. You know, it’s really a bad situation.

All of these voters are leaning towards supporting Donald Trump, some more than others, but I wanted to understand whether it was a more pro Trump or anti Harris vote, and I got more than I bargained for. Let’s listen by a show of hands. Are you voting for Donald Trump or against Kamala Harris or

Donald Trump? Or hold on,

how many of you are voting for Donald Trump? Raise your hands. 123456789,

how many of you are voting against Kamala Harris? 12345,

okay. Why am I voting for Donald Trump? To put it simply, I trust him to forward America’s interests, foreign and domestic, more than the other candidate, period. And I can spin on that, why black people vote for Kamala Harris and Democrats more generally. It’s a bit layered, but essentially, and this is complicated, black Americans see themselves in a separate Lane from Americans, so much so that when Donald Trump says, I want to be the president for America, they assume white America when they might not actually be. I don’t think that’s what he means, and evidence shows it’s not what it means. So Black Americans have a tendency to separate themselves from what is good for Americans. More generally, I’m voting for Donald Trump because

I can see that when I listen to, you know, the news and everything, I see that, you know, it’s very biased. I’ve never seen

one president be attacked so much so to to see that the whole establishment is against one person kind of makes it seem like he is actually going against the establishment. I don’t like being taken advantage of him trying to be made a fool of and I feel as though the Democratic Party and most of the people who are who oppose him are trying to make a fool out of me, and personally, I don’t like that. I was living better when Trump was in President. I had more money when Trump was in President. So, you know, it seems as though there is one particular entity that is trying to destroy the country and crippled the country, and who is very who is that

that would be the Democratic Party, the more liberal party that does not align with my values, per se, and to let a lot of things like they let a lot of things go that doesn’t allow with align with my values. So

I feel as though, if he were to lose then this we will be on our way to a communist country. And I like being able to

be successful. I like having the opportunity to be successful. I.

Don’t believe that we should all just be on a level playing field, because I don’t believe the person that doesn’t work as hard as me should have as much as me. I believe that if you work harder, you should have more. If you don’t work as hard you shouldn’t. Okay, um, KD, and then James, thank you, Frank. Um, the reason why I’m voting for Donald Trump is because, simply, I want to make America great again. I think the last four years, we have seen over promising without a plan, when I watched on the debate stage where a lot of Locke goes from a Democratic candidate who’s been vice president united states for three years, and what eight months, and nothing that she proposed she or, or or spoke on she had a plan attached. Even as things have come back in the grocery stores and things like that, I can’t pay for things every single week. I run out of food during the week, and then I’m having to really ration to get through. So I think the only person that spoke to my values and what I want to see in the future, and who has a it’s, he said, a concept, a plan. But I’m going based off of my lived experience, and my lived experience under Donald Trump as president was a lot better than the Biden Harris administration.

So that’s that’s how I feel about it. In a sentence, Can each of you explain why Trump and not Harris? Manuel? You start first? Yeah, I would say because of track records. Yeah, I’ve seen Donald Trump’s administration compared to Biden Harris administration, and I know, and I can say for a fact that Trump was better, basically, okay, Damien from Florida,

yeah, I’m a Baptist minister, so I’m fully for Trump, because he’s going to close the border, because he brings a certain level of strength and direct communication that this country needs, and the economy was roaring and great under him, and so I’m looking forward to seeing that again. James from California,

for me, I think Trump is real, logical and feasible, right? Harris, delusional, virtual

Maryland.

Biden Harris put the needs and interests of Israel, Ukraine and migrants first, and I think Trump will be a little more

for American interests. Katie from Utah,

I think Trump, because trouble wins the election based on the economic sentiment is pessimistic, not optimistic. We have foreign policy disasters, multitudes and immigration is just a calamity, as much as Kamala Harris is running a campaign for president in her own right. After that debate performance, it’s clear that the Biden Harris 2024 campaign continues on Patreon from Mississippi. Yeah, so

I favor Trump based on what he did during this last term. So I’m all for him.

And what specific did he do that you like the most? Yeah, he brought more jobs into the economy. That’s one thing that I did. Like we didn’t have to worry about wars or anybody coming up against the United States. He was very adamant and dealing with foreign policy. So I had a matter out of that about Donald Trump. Carlin from Florida, I just believe Kamala Harris isn’t ready to become President of the United States.

Dan from Illinois,

this country is very divided. I think Trump exposes that in a way that has us looking at each other a little bit differently and not sure that’s a good thing or a bad thing. But what I will say is that I think

having him in office is just exposition of the rapid decline of this country, and I think that we need to be more realistic about what’s happening. And I do believe that

he exposes that. He has exposed that more often than anybody else. Name from California.

I believe Trump is for the people, and he actually

loves the country, and he wants the country to do well, and he doesn’t pander to black people just because it’s election time

and Kareem Pennsylvania, I

guess he’s passionate about looking at America’s problems and actually attempting to solve them. I.

Whether he has the right solution or not, and whether it’s nice to hear, he’ll attempt to go at things that need to be said and need looked at and actually attempt to make a difference. Having a candid, often blunt discussion about race in America is about as difficult a conversation that one can have right now, and that’s why we did it. Of all the segments and all the sessions we’ve brought to you on straight arrow news, there is none that offers more insight into what’s really going on behind closed doors than this one. I urge you to pay close attention. You’re about to hear and learn how some young black men see the world. It’s a perspective and a voice not heard until now. I do not mean to insult you,

but

Kamala is a sister,

and you’re voting. Well, it’s the first. Well, there’s a frank. There’s a difference Frank. I really, really want to take that one. When you say Black or African American, that’s actually a cultural term of people who are descended from slaves who grew up in America, absolutely be a bit of a thing. Harris has no ancestry of black. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I’m I just want to, I just want to disagree with you on that. I don’t actually think you understand what you’re saying. That um, black or African American. You You realize every people, all people that come here from all over the world, as long as you have black skin, they’re going to look at you and when you fill out a job application, they’re going to make the Black or African American.

We’re all yes. What

I

was going to

say, you’re both correct, yeah, both green. You’re correct in your definition, Carlin, you are correct in your in the representation that black Americans have yes is as a society, she is seen as a black woman, but something that my auntie always says, there’s a difference between being black and being raised black in America, and that is the central point issue for Kamala Harris, is that she doesn’t connect with black people because she doesn’t understand the actual true black experience. I have nothing against her for her biracial identity, but she was raised by an Indian mother, and an Indian mother is definitely different than a black mother.

Katie, can I piggyback on your point? Because there are a lot of folks that say the same thing about Barack Obama in hindsight, because he was not raised with the black American experience, right? But I think the larger point where folks are upset with Kamala is she has pandered her blackness when it’s been beneficial for her political career. If you look at most of her, most of her life, it’s been about her Indian background. She did not lift up being black. Now let me finish. Let me finish this point. So now, when it’s politically advantageous, then she wants to tell being a aka and Howard and things of that nature into a lot of black American people, it is a slap in the face, and that’s why a lot of folks are turned off to that type of hammering,

because I think she’s actually being disrespectful when she makes like I would make greens, you know, wash them in the tub,

one at a time one.

I personally think that it’s disrespectful to expect me as an individual to do something as other black people just because I’m black. I mean, I don’t like, just like, I think it’s disrespectful

for me to be a stereotype just because somebody is black. I feel as though you’re trying to take

advantage of my intelligence. If a bunch of black people line up in a line to to drink 4040s or something like that. I don’t need to do that just because I’m black. You know what I’m saying? I feel as though

what I like about Trump is it’s no, it’s like, Yo, I’m not about to pander to you just because you’re black. This is, do you want to make money? Do you want to live in an actual country, or do you not? And I like that approach, versus trying to make me do something because I’m black. Okay,

hold on one second. Trump has been called a racist, and she is at least from the community. Does that not

matter? Go ahead. You prove that Trump, Trump is a racist that I think I’ve seen him with

plenty of black people before he was ever in the office. I’ve never seen you know any of the so called Democrats,

black people a.

Other than outside of an election. Yeah, I think, I think people don’t understand, no longer what the word racism even means. I think they did you. They just think, if you, if you make a comment or you say something about a race, then you’re racist. No, you can just be ignorant of that race. Uh. Racism is actually targeting black people. You go outside, you look for black people to hate on, or to call or, or, or not just black people, but Spanish people. Or you, you specifically look for them in order to to make a point, because you are racist and you you hate this race. I don’t think Trump does that. I think you know, he might be ignorant of a race. He might say something and not fully understand what black culture is, or or how Latinos live, or things of that nature. But I feel like we’re all a little ignorant. If you don’t step outside of your community, if you don’t associate with a Spanish person or a black person, then you’ll never know and you’ll never understand. So people make all types of assumptions, like, oh, white people can’t dance or they can’t play basketball. When I got a lot of white friends, they ball, they they dance like crazy, like, you just have to know, and if you don’t know, then you’re ignorant. You’re not racist, you’re ignorant. Okay,

just for the record, Carlin, I will never dance in front of anyone in the zoom,

and I would make you sick. Dan, go ahead. I don’t think racism is just pure ignorance. I think is actually institutionalized. So I believe that there are, there are literally things set up in this country where black people are, you know, unfairly,

stop at Frisk, for example. I mean, these are things that you know we have to deal with. We do a lot of discrimination, of course. So I think it’s definitely institutionalized. But I guess my question is always wonder, like, what did Trump actually do for black people? I mean, what has he done? And what is he that? What is he saying that he’s going to do? I guess I never, I never knew that I don’t

do something for the country, attitude, opportunity. Yeah, exactly. I

don’t even think you can target policy this. Our country’s 330 million Americans. Yeah, it is impossible anything for the race. I don’t for the race anymore. That’s not but hold on. Hold on. We’re talking about a candidate that won in 2016 so we already have a record to go on. So if you want to talk about what he’s already done to to help the black community. The the first the first step act released black men and women who have been locked up in prison by Joe Biden’s racist 1994 crime bill, might I add, is probably the most devastating piece of legislation that decimated the black community. So if you want to talk about racism, let’s start there. Secondly, through through PPP loans, $16 billion went to black businesses via the pandemic that came directly from Trump. Also, you talk about a tax credit that Democrats like to say only benefited the 1% no, it, it actually benefited most of the middle class, and that’s a large swath of black people. So we could go on and on about the things he did in his first administration for black people, but he’s the first candidate in a while that spoke directly and honestly to back black people, but directly to black men. All of us are in this room because there’s a certain level of strength and machismo that Trump brings to the table that has been lost in the Democratic Party, that is pandering into black women and saying they are the black black backbone.

Vote like a black woman, let Black women lead, which is kind of disrespectful to black men, because absolutely be the leaders in the home and so Amen,

brother,

what Trump stated three and a half, what you’ve been doing for three and a half years? No, you know, you say, Hey, you want to give small business owners $50,000 you want to give

other groups of groups of this, this amount of money and and no control of the border. This is the reason why this country is in chaos. Now, look what’s happened in Aurora. They haven’t the Democrats hasn’t spoken about that. Trump had to speak about. Look what’s going on Aurora, these immigrants coming over here to take over people’s apartments. People work so hard day and night, and then to have immigrants to come over and take over and living in fear. So things has drastic. Things has to change. Because if, if, if Trump is not present in 2024 he said, This could be a third war. We don’t want that. We don’t want war.

You know, that’s my take. Actually Chianti. You got your hand up? Please respond, yeah. Just wanted to say that, like, as long as the issue of racism is on the table here,

and I’ve never really

greatly understood the logic of voting for someone just because he.

Or she is, is black, like, when, when Obama was was elected, I think I was in like, the the eighth grade at the time, and, and so I had, like, I’ve never really been very interested in politics, so I didn’t pay too much attention to that.

But I remember thinking when, when, when? My mom told me that that, like, one of the main reasons he was he had so many votes was, was from black people. I’m thinking,

Okay, well, I guess, I guess that’s not a big shock, but, like, it didn’t really tell me anything about Obama himself and

and like, I could care less what anyone’s nationality or or political party is, what I care about is how they’re going to do their job. And I, and I’ve already seen how Trump has has done his job, and people have seen, even before he was President, how, how he’s how he is at managing things. There’s a reason he’s, he’s a billionaire, so, so that’s, that’s where I stand on on this. Okay, I’m gonna, I’m gonna take the risk here, and I want to bring back a discussion of race,

how important is your ethnicity, in whom you vote for and why you vote for them? Zero, that’s not 00.

Who’s a zero? Raise your hands. Who’s a zero.

But you know when people are looking at you. You know that it’s not no matter

question for all the people who are voting for Kamala because of a race, what do you vote for? Candace Owens?

No, exactly, exactly.

I’ll answer that for you. Brother, here’s a here’s a question, here’s a question. Um, all the time when there were only white people running, and where we were, we still voting. We were still voting for white people, right? So I don’t, I don’t understand why putting a black person in the mix would just, Oh, I’m just going to vote for that black person. No, it’s, it’s, it’s not about your race. It’s not about if you’re a man or if you’re a woman. It’s about if you know what you’re doing, and if you’re prepared to do the things that you say that you you’re planning on doing, and if you’re not

right, let me say this real quick. We celebrate Doctor King every year and his legacy, and one of his biggest quotes was, don’t judge people by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character, the merit in the results, and from a leadership standpoint, by the results that they produce. And so I firmly believe that most men look at people from a logical standpoint, because we often have to be executive leaders. What kind of results have you put forth? Are you competent? Can you show that you can do the job? Can you show that you can handle adversity, and do you show a level of fight and all those things we see in Donald Trump, even some of us that that are not great Donald Trump fans, I’m a big fan, but we look at it from a logical standpoint, right? Trump has some issues, absolutely sure. But has he produced? What has Kamala Harris produced in three and a half years? Absolutely nothing. And while Joe Biden was in the White House sleep at four o’clock, she continued to lie as though nothing was wrong, and now we’re supposed to believe that she’s the best leader in the world. It’s a slap in our face,

yes please. But I think also, like it’s not about our race, because we’re more than that. I kind of spoke to this when that’s probably nothing to do this conversation, but I spoke to a bill about dei here in the state of Utah and affected academics. And my point is that we are, we should be a merit based system of society when we are bringing in color. I think I’ve had this experience as a black conservative. I got to Washington, DC, and I got to do an internship there, and that was really great to do. Great to do my sophomore year in college. It’s really hard to get a DC internship in the US Senate, further my senior senator here, and I was told by my more Democratic friends and count and colleagues that I only got that because of my skin color. Now, how degrading is that just completely discounting all of my work just because of my skin, and yes, I was but like, it’s, it’s just about, I want to have a leader who, to me, has earned it. Kamala Harris has been campaigning for 50 some odd days, and she’s not using this campaign as an opportunity to be interviewed. She’s running like she’s the damn Messiah While Donald Trump has been campaigning for over 700 days. I’m going to put forward the comment that I’ve heard, and you can react to it that black men don’t want to.

Celebrate or lift up a black woman, they are saying that that’s saying that that is probably true. Because

you just, what did you just say? I just said, you know, who’s saying that black women are saying that? They’ve been saying that since the beginning of time. We’re not lifting them up, we’re going out. We’re marrying

all black social media like, what are we doing? We’re everywhere. That comment is so infuriating, because it’s all of us are products of black women, of my mother’s black woman, and I love her. What’s happening? I love her, and I’m lifting her up, and I praise her for what she did for me in my life. But that’s not how we are supposed to be voting. We’re supposed to be voting based off the interest of of yourself, if you are single, and if your marriage, your wife or the wife, into the husband and their children and their family productivity for the rest of their lives. That is what this is about. Why didn’t we vote in Hillary Clinton? Why didn’t Hillary exactly what? It’s not about being a woman. I think it’s about competency, trust and respect. And what Kamala Harris has not done is earn the black black America, and black is what I said. Respect is that I’m not going to vote for someone who’s not ready to be president, and she’s not ready to be president. I see her as a vice president. Three and a half Joe Biden wasn’t even ready to be president. I seen him as a vice president. I can’t tell you one thing he did for the country under the Obama administration. Like I’m voting for Kamal Harris, like this. Michael, why would you not vote for her? What’s your what’s your hostility towards her? Uh, to be honest, I honestly don’t think Kamala Harris is I think she’s smart. I don’t think she’s dumb, I just don’t think she’s competent. I don’t think that you would actually be an effective leader, just like Carlin said. I honestly don’t believe that she’s ready to be president. I do think the most I’ve ever seen her look like she was ready to be was ready to be was the debate the other day, if we actually want to talk about that, but it was just because she lied very well and the moderators were on her side. But I don’t think there’s she’s actually, I mean, just listen to her speak. I also think Trump is not that good of an effective communicator. Y’all might disagree with me, but just listen to I agree as well. I agree. I want to know a word afraid to describe each one. Let’s start with Kamala Harris, Manuel, a word or phrase to describe Harris.

I’ll say she’s just

an emotional banker. She’s basically banking and emotions of black people to buy their votes. And I don’t think I’m going with that, it doesn’t work for me. Kenneth, if I spoke about Kamala, it would be platitudes. Thank you. Chianti

at no paddle,

James,

um, I would say, uh, delusional gaming.

This is for Kamala, yes. Income, incompetent. Michael, yeah. Incompetent, pandering platters. Thanks Kenneth for that. Assist Tyree, incompetent and deceitful. Chris, anti American, anti black American, specifically. KD,

power seeking,

wow. Power seeking lack the necessary experience.

Name,

I feel like she wants to keep us in victim mentality, and I don’t believe that helps black people. Kareem, auditioning to play president on TV.

Okay, now let’s flip it. Give me just a word or phrase to describe Donald Trump. Kareem, I’m gonna start with you,

wanting to make America active superpower again. Naeem,

wanting to

us all to basically be businessmen again. Dan,

I would say

overzealous. Carlin,

experienced control,

the perfect candidate.

KD, fighter.

Chris, a little more pro American than the Democrats. Tyree,

business minded and confident.

Michael,

not the guy’s biggest fan, but an effective leader,

Damien, American hero, Kenneth, relentless and Manuel,

unapologetic. Um, straightforward vision. Yeah.

What is your greatest hesitation?

About Donald Trump. What concerns you most about him?

Anybody

that’s Yeah, yeah. For me, it’s in that ballpark, that ballpark as well. I’m not going to lie. I mean, you guys are probably you could piece it by my answers. I’m not the biggest fan of Donald Trump. I won’t lie. I would much rather honestly, Vikram saw me. That’s why I said event 2028, but with, with, with Donald or with Trump, I don’t I think he focuses on these stupidest things to talk about at times. It’s actually funny that a lot of times attacks are on his side, but he doesn’t know how to effectively communicate it. I don’t even like JD Vance that much, but I think he has that dog in him. I have seen him go toe to toe with reporters like I haven’t seen a lot of people. He at least can effectively communicate Trump’s plan way better than Trump can trump. He’s just not that good of a communicator, which is, I think, a big part of being President, but I think he is an effective leader nonetheless. So with trial, what’s your greatest hesitation about Trump?

Oh, with Trump,

I like the guy. I like his policies, but he can be unpredictable at times. That’s, that’s the thing that scares me the most about Trump. But other than that, I think he’s, he’s great.

Tyree, what’s your greatest hesitation with

Trump?

Um, I would say for him, is building like a strong alliance with, like the Democrat, because it’s like a big clash between them at times. Because sometimes you when I remember when he was in office, you know, there was this in disagreement of policies he’s put in place, you know, and they want to strip off the policies. But as far as with Trump, I feel, you know, he’s confident. Know what he wants and what to do. He’s very business minded person, and want to get back on track to where the country needs to be, you know, striving economy versus like, economy that is not striving right now. So, yeah, that’s my take, Chris. What’s your biggest hesitation about Trump? I think he’s a little too pro AIPAC in Israel, and probably a little too,

I guess, lenient on illegal immigration. He could be a little better, but he’s certainly better than Kamala. And Kenneth. What’s your hesitation about Trump? Biggest one, I think the biggest one is the fact that he gets distracted rather easily. Someone says something, let’s pick a fight. There’s a tweet that goes out. There’s a whole media a conundrum, if you will. I think that that’s an issue, and I think that also goes in alignment with the fact that he has issues with communication as well. So you gotta have somebody that’s focused on the wrong thing, and then then it doesn’t know how to actually speak about it doesn’t know how to speak in regards to fixing those things. I think those are the worst issues that he’ll face. Chianti, what’s your biggest hesitation about Harris?

Mostly the policies that she stands for, at least claims to stand for,

you know,

whatever socialist or

pro abortion or LGBTQ

indoctrination, things that that, that she had, that she wants to implement, like, like, I don’t, I don’t want someone in charge that that wants to

that that wants to promote all that stuff even more than it already has. Because,

because it’s, it’s, it’s caused so much damage psychologically and socially already, and it’s your biggest hesitation about Kamala Harris, I think she lacks a North Star. I think that she said things, says things that are politically expedient, but she doesn’t we. Nobody really knows where this woman stands on issues, and I think that that’s going to happen when she governs. I say, I used to say this, I could stand Bernie Sanders, but Bernie Sanders had said the same thing for 2030, years. She, you know, she was for one policy five years ago, she’s against it now, she’s for something three years ago, she’s against it now. So people really have no idea exactly where she stands, and even furthermore, how she’s actually going to govern, and that’s quite concerning. Damien, yeah, there are many hesitations, but the one I want to lift up here is

everyday Americans in this country have to get up and earn everything they get. And she ran for president 2020 she didn’t even make it to Super Tuesday, and now she’s in the nominee for Democrats, and she’s never received one vote, primary vote or anything. She didn’t earn this spot. She’s cackled her way. She has platitude her way to where she is, and I think it’s disrespectful to everyday Americans that have to put on their boots and their pants every day, and she hasn’t earned anything. And that’s one of my biggest.

Issues with her, Michael from Texas, and then. KD, what you raise hesitation with Vice President Harris? Biggest hesitation, bar none, is that she I believe she’s an enabled liar. The mainstream media is clearly for Kamala. I mean, we saw this in the debate just the other day. She can get away with so much. I think it actually is good that they fact check, but they didn’t give it out fairly. She rung off a number of lies, but they were just never called out. That’s a problem. It makes it seem as though one person is actually a crazy liar, the other person is just truthful, which is not actually the case. They both lie a lot, let’s be honest. But so I think she’s an enabled liar, and I don’t that gives me pause, honestly, Katie and then Carlin.

I think the biggest problem Kamala Harris, for me, is a lack of accountability and integrity. And the reason I say that is because I’m a United I’m a United States Marina. I served through 2016 and 2019

and something that I really found disheartening was when she was asked directly, do you regret or have anything to say for Afghanistan and to those families, she completely pivoted and ignored the question. I felt that was so disrespectful from a fundamental level of I served my country at 18 years old, I expect and I demand that the Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Services has the decency to pick up the phone, sit on the call with my mother, and at least just hear her out and apologize or give her sympathies, but she’s not even willing to do that. Before I could end this session, I needed to ask our pro Trump participants about his legal challenges and whether they have had any impact at all on their vote. Are they paying attention? Do they see Trump as a criminal or a victim? Their answers may surprise you. Donald Trump has been indicted in dozens of felonies those Nelson Mandela Trump has been and he’s been found guilty. Yeah,

found guilty, and yet you still support him. The Affordable well, didn’t even feel right. I mean, they ran, they ran for these offices. Attorney General said, I’m going to run to get him the Attorney General of New York. There’s a video, there is there are press releases, there are advertisements they ran on the issue to get Trump. So how am I, even if I wasn’t politically knowledgeable or savvy, I’m just looking at what’s going on? This man has four criminal cases. Donald Trump has been found, has been indicted in multiple states for multiple crimes

and that, and yet you still support him.

That’s Frank family members who are locked up or in jail or incarcerated for crimes against humanity. I’m sorry that’s not going to change how I feel about voting for them or supporting them in any way. You know, like, hey,

yeah, I would say, I would say, yeah. This is true. I would say trumped up charges. No pun intended. But

I do think that we just gotta like, like, like. They said, best interest at heart. Who aligns more with my policy? That’s all politics is. It’s you look for alignment. No one’s perfect. So you we’ve seen all types of barriers thrown in this man’s way, and what that does. I thought, let me tell you something. That’s the dumbest strategy Democrats could’ve come with. They should’ve just left him alone and let him run on his own devices. And if he wins, he wins. If he loses, he loses. But all these different tactics to try to take him out, what that did was still support, yeah, from the American people to say, Why are you picking on this man so much? My last point is

this talk about to try to label him a felon, as Carlin just said, black people have felons everywhere in our family, and we still we don’t want to be stigmatized, we don’t want to be ostracized and feel different. We’re still tax paying Americans. And so what it does is coalesce more support around him, particularly from black men who were mostly and put in prison and felonized by Joe Biden’s 1994 jail. And now we can’t get jobs. We can’t do this. Who’s Who’s to say you come out of jail or you get convicted of something, and now you’re not able to do something like you’re not a human being, like I have so many friends or family members that come out of jail, they can’t get a job. They get thrown in the system. Now. They drinking all day. They can’t they can’t cope because they can’t do things, because they’re now no longer labeled as a person there labeled a convicted felon. So okay, how many of you, by show of hands, think Donald Trump has been victimized by the government, and that’s why he’s been indicted so often that he’s a victim. Two of you, 3456789,

almost all of you is he.

If do you relate to him as being a victim? No, no, no

type of victim, it’s,

I think you can see like how the system is being stacked against him every time they don’t get the conviction or the result that they want, every time they convicted him or they put a charge against him, his raise, his dollars went up, his points went up. And you know why? Because people can see the legacy media thinks that they’re the power players in this game. They think that they can decide who our presidents are and who are not. And they got played in 2016 they put out all these numbers showing Hillary Clinton supposed to be so high up. You know what poll numbers do? Whole numbers keep people keeps their butts in the couches. Go Go ahead. Karine, go ahead. Thank you. And one thing I like about Trump is he talks to black Americans as if we’re Americans, because, and I said this earlier, rank cost the same, whether you’re black, white or purple. Groceries cost the same car is false. The same all this. Does she know you? Does she know the black extreme? It doesn’t matter. She doesn’t know me,

if she can do the job that makes America a better place to live, that makes my life better as a black American, how does Trump make life better for black Americans by making life better for Americans, period, and the longer that black Americans separate themselves from that, the more we do ourselves a disservice because we vote against policies and people that will make America better.

Some of our participants clearly dislike Kamala Harris. Others clearly love Donald Trump. But what they all have in common is the desire for their community to be seen as part of the American community, not just the African American community. There is so much more to this discussion, but that’s all the time we have for this segment on behalf of America speaks right here at straight aero news. I’m Dr. Frank Luntz, thank you for listening. You

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