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‘A dose of empathy’: Americans’ guide to better disagreement

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We find ourselves in an era of high friction between Democrats and Republicans on numerous issues. As primary season turns into election season, heated arguments and disagreements might escalate. Most of us accept that we won’t agree on everything, but how can Americans learn to disagree better?

In this 39-minute episode of America Speaks, pollster and political analyst Dr. Frank Luntz engages with a diverse group of Americans who all aspire to “disagree better.” But what does that mean, and how can Americans live up to that challenge? Dr. Luntz explores those questions and discovers plenty of common ground to build on.

Many people think 2024 will be the meanest, nastiest election in modern times. I’m Dr. Frank Luntz, host, and I’m one of them. The attacks have started, the political ads are already brutal. And 70% of Americans don’t want a rematch of 2020. But that’s exactly what they’re about to get. When straight arrow news commission these segments, the mission was to capture the real voice of real Americans. That’s why they’re called American speaks. Every week, we explore a major national issue a growing public concern, and important voter bloc, whatever Americans are talking about, we’re talking about that as well. What makes today’s segment so special is the focus. Rather than spotlight the problems, we’re going to talk about the solution, in this case, how to disagree without being disagreeable. We’re going to hear from America’s governors, often the most popular political figures in their states, talking about their year long initiative disagreed better. My concern, are we already too late. But before we answer that question and discuss the solution, let’s start with what Americans want to expect most from their governor. America, you have the floor? What is the number one responsibility of your governor? If you had to define it? Not multiple answers something specific? What is your governor responsible for doing? And why do you feel that way? Daniel, what is the number one responsibility of your governor, I
think that he is there to uphold all the laws that we already have in place and to protect the people when they’re in need.
But not from Wisconsin, the number one responsibility of the governor is
to be fiscally responsible with taxpayers money while administering the services of the government for which the private sector cannot provide.
Kelly, if Illinois, the number one responsibility of a governor is
to always be listening to the issues that the people are facing that they want him to deal with. And
one more Roxanne, the number one responsibility of the governor is
keeping the economy stimulated in his state in hearing the voice of the people.
The mission of every governor is clear, represent all your constituents all the time. But some of our participants felt they were being shut out in some way, either on social media, or live because of their political leanings. So before we get to the solution, let’s listen for a moment for why they feel this way.
Anywhere. Because then suddenly, when you post on like Bing, when I try to make a comment is like, sorry, you cannot make that comment or your comments. And then he never shows up. And I’m not really saying anything that’s offending anything, anybody, like everything, everybody gets offended for nothing. So I can even make a comment because of the council. And like my husband, he says this, like, I cannot make a comment on anything, because I’m gonna lose my job.
As a Republican makes a comment, then it gets deleted for some reason. But the Democrats make a comment, it gets blows up, it’s on the view, it’s whatever. It’s more positive for the Democrats and democratic to rule the roost. Okay, it’s
also product.
Melissa, I don’t think you agree with that. Do you?
Know, I don’t, I don’t agree with that at all. I think that, yes, the country is very toxic, very, very divisive. But I think it’s also perpetuated by the lack of education on the part of the constituents, they hear a sound, what sound excuse me, they hear a sound bite or something, or something from their neighbor, they don’t educate themselves on it, they don’t find out more information, and they just run with it. And right away, that is the correct opinion, so to speak, to have a single
for lack of education, though, is that the source of Education has changed, the definition of truth has been siloed, to what you believe in. And so if two people are operating with two separate truth, how can they ever come together? To agree on it?
I think I definitely think it’s a lack of education. And I’m not saying in terms of going to college or anything like that. I think it’s educating oneself. Whereas I know that I watch a lot of TV, a lot of different sources, I get my information from a variety of areas of variety of different people. And then I formed my own opinion, where a lot of people just go with one pundit or one person, and that’s the correct one and that shouldn’t
do that. You shouldn’t be gathering your facts and figures from different aspects of it and then go with it. Yeah, I don’t post anything that’s like Like spur the moment I investigate things before I post things, but my posts get pulled down. So, so
we heard the problem. Now it’s time to discuss the solution. There are an infinite number of reasons why we should be seeking greater empathy and understanding in our political discourse. American speak showed our participants more than a dozen public service announcements, you’re about to see the three best that the American people liked the most, our participants use their computer to register their second by second reaction to the ads. Those reactions are represented by the lines on the screen, we divided the group into Democrats, the blue line, independents, the yellow line, and Republicans the red line, the higher the lines climb, the more powerful, impactful and favorable the message. If the lines drop, then indicates a negative response to what is being said or shout. And as you will see, there is one group that has a slightly less positive response to the disagree better message. Let’s listen in. The reason why you’re here is that you looked at about 30 minutes worth of political videos. And we’re going to start with this initiative that the governors are holding right now, to find a way to disagree, but be less disagreeable, to disagree better. You had one video in particular, that you ranked better than all of them. I’m going to play that video for you right now. And then you’re going to explain to me why this one stood out why this was the best of the best. Because this is the initiative that they have prioritized for 2024. And on a personal level, this matters to me. So let’s play. Let’s play that video
when you face a disagreement, you can bring your points up, but you really should be listening to what are their points, what are their fears? Why, why do they feel the way they do? And, and I think there’s a way to get through that. Maybe learn something yourself. Maybe they will learn from you if you’re calm and, and give a good argument instead of an emotional argument. If you still get to a point where you can agree, that’s okay. It’s okay not to agree on every issue is it’s okay not to weigh in every issue. And, and hopefully, you have that respect, mutual respect. So you can have those conversations. It’s never too late to be about a person. It’s never too late to be kind. It’s never too late to put yourself in someone else’s shoes, and understand what they’re going through. And just be better people and lead by example. Together, we can disagree better.
That’s absolutely incredible. That’s incredible. Virtually all of you gave that just really powerful. A really powerful reaction. And I want to know why. Who completely agreed with that strongly and intensely. And Brooke, I’m gonna start with you. And then Stephen and then Jim, why. First
of all, I think people want to be heard, but also like going into a disagreement like not assuming you know, like the heart of the other person. Like they may have like reasons they feel they while they want something done, but they also have like hurt that made them made that decision. And don’t assume like they’re I wouldn’t say the devil but a bad person because they voted this way or that way.
Steven, why was that message so powerful to you?
The term disagree better, resonated with me because it is something that is so missing today. Because most people seem to want to stay in a perpetual state of outrage is if they enjoy being they’re always angry, always looking for a reason to cancel or argue with somebody. And that message in that ad shows that it’s okay to listen, it’s okay to say, hey, we can agree to disagree. We can still go ahead have a drink. We can still be friends. You know, I think about back when Ronald Reagan was President and the Speaker was Tip O’Neill, they got along and things got done. That doesn’t happen anymore.
She then why was that message off the charts for you?
Empathy, I think our country can use with a big dose of empathy. And that’s basically what he was describing was just having more compassion for other people’s points of views. I don’t understand why. We can’t disagree. There’s nothing wrong with disagreeing with your neighbor. My neighbors, my next door neighbors are the most wonderful people and have the exact opposite viewpoints of me and my husband and And we love them. It doesn’t make them bad people, and they don’t think of us as bad people. And I, I think that’s more of what the country actually is. The
tone of that guy, I don’t know who it was, it was the governor, but it was just a great tone. It almost felt like a mentor, kind of like, let’s, let’s all take a timeout everyone. And, you know, it’s kind of like sitting me down, like, hey, you know, you might be right, he might be wrong. But you know, but then at the very end, I think it was a very powerful message, you have to someone has to take the lead and be better than, you know, just the whole essence was just making yourself better makes everyone else better. It’s just a tone. I think it was a great message, great selling point.
I agree with a few other people that it was very empathetic and calm. So I liked his demeanor. But what the heart of the message was, for me, was that it was about redemption. And, you know, I think we’ve all had heated political conversations. And we’ve all probably judged people too harshly. Maybe, but this was one of the only ones that that said, you know, that, that you’re still a good person for doing that, and that it’s not too late to change. And come back to sort of the the time when we used to have gentlemen agreements, disagreements.
Okay, let’s show you the next one is the second best ad, and I want to get your reaction
nothing great, really comes out of negativity. So you gotta take a breath, take a pause, kind of have the responsibility of ourselves to be better listeners, and to say, Okay, I’m not here to necessarily agree with this other person. But let’s respect each other as individuals and make sure we understand they have a point of view and a voice who knows what their background is? Who knows why they have that, that opinion, let’s hear. And a good tool to say is, well, why don’t you tell me more if I vehemently disagree, and I’m getting a little hot on the call. And boy, I have something really passionate to say, I’m going to ask you to talk a little more and so that I can listen, that just builds the relationship. And whatever we can do to really talk one on one, get off your screens, get off the social media, get out of the house, get, you know, engage in a positive way, find another positive way to engage in your community. It just all fosters a more positive sense of not just finding agreement, but finding that respect that has to happen. Together, we can disagree better.
Now, what’s interesting, fascinating to me is he’s off the charts, good. among Democrats, among independents, he does very well among Republicans, but not off the charts. Can I get three or four of you to tell me why that was one of the best messages you saw because man to that tower? Well,
I think because I’m
gonna do for I’m gonna call you out Carolyn, first. And David, then Shannon.
What Governor Sununu was talking about, in that video, to me, resonated with the fact that I think it’s true that we all have way more in common with one another than we think. And taking that time to ask questions, face to face, engaging in the community. And stepping away from the sheltered social media, the sheltered communities and the just echo chambers that we build for ourselves, will really go a long way to help us understand one another because we have far more similarities than differences.
Daniel, please go ahead.
I just think that part of being a great leader and a great communicator, one of the most important things is being a great listener. And I think everybody’s so busy yelling their point of view that nobody’s listening to what everybody has to say. And I think that’s one of the things is trying to bring it together. As you know, the foundation of this nation was raised on disagreement, and there’s nothing wrong with disagreeing. But we have to come to some kind of an agreement, where we can both get something that we want.
Shannon, why was that so powerful to you?
It was so powerful to me, because I had to have a surgery to have a tumor removed from my neck. And I lost my voice for for a couple of months. And when that happens, you are forced to list and I’ve tried to talk to other people about you can’t you can’t be listening, if you’re already forming an argument or replying to someone before they finish speaking. It’s a matter of respect. I think he said, that’s
beautiful. And we appreciate your participation. And I particularly appreciate the sacrifices you’re making to be here to more of you jump in why was that video so good. Right, and
I think it’s relatable because he’s actually saying what we the people want to hear, we were tired of the arguing, we all have that common goal, you know, and we can read, we can agree to disagree. So it’s something that we the people are thinking in wanting.
Okay, let’s go to the next one. This one also did well.
Hi, I’m Spencer Cox, governor of Utah, and chairman of the National Governors Association, you and I probably disagree on a few things. And that’s okay. It’s actually good for us. But it’s way too easy to let our differences become toxic. Our country is deeply divided. And most Americans are tired of the division disagreeing better, not disagreeing less is the answer. When we engage in healthy, honest dialogue, we avoid demonizing others, and we’re more likely to find solutions. And I’m not just talking about civility, being nicer is important. But I’m talking about learning the right kind of conflict. Instead of calling names, be curious, listen, more, attack ideas, not people. treating each other with respect and dignity instead of contempt can be hard. And I don’t always get it right. But over the next year, I’m hoping we can work together to do better. Democrats and Republicans, liberals, conservatives and everything in between.
Okay, everyone, if he was sitting here, right now, you’ve seen his message. The other two governors. It’s his initiative. This is his effort. What would you say to him? Daniel, I’ll start with you.
Just want to see like him actually make it happen and to see some results and not just be talked to get us interested in it. And then, you know, once we get behind it that, you know, it drops off and nothing’s done.
Carolyn, what message would you have for him? I
really appreciate that he admitted that he doesn’t always get it right. That humility goes a long way.
Raise your hands if you are Republican. Raise your hands if you’re independent. Raise your hands if you are Democrats. It’s an even number, all three of them. The Republican line is lower for all of this. I don’t mean to be accusatory, or Republicans are not responding as well, to this call for civility, and respect and kindness. Can you explain why?
For me, I, you know, you look at the way Republicans are treated outside of Fox News when they express their opinions on other networks, or other even on TV shows. Immediately, they’re demonized for their views, even for the most, the least controversial of views. So, you know, until I see a better respect, you know, going both ways, especially, you know, on television or in the newspapers and videos. I just distrust this initiative until I see it happen.
Somebody else
would I agree with John, exactly. Anything outside of different forms. Republicans, they think we’re attacking the Democrats and everything, but we’re getting attacked as much we keep on attacking. So this message that he’s bringing forth is, you know, something different. So but, you know, I lower my expectations to what he can do.
I like the message, I’m thankful for the message. I’m just hoping that it’s just not lip service, and that they’re going to put what they’re saying into what they’re actually doing. And I think time will tell to see whether or not what they’re saying is is something that they really believe.
Brandon? Yeah,
I mean, I will kind of echo a little bit about the part of how it’s, you know, if you’re a Republican, particularly me, like a minority Republican, I will never get the benefit of the doubt, but that’s separate. So that’s one part. Can
I say something? Yes. I think that like as people like us all here, I think that we do a great job of getting along. I have family that’s divided and we’re fine. I think it’s the politicians. I think it’s Congress. I think it’s Republicans have always been the more civil ones in the past, and I think that Trump brought in an era of fighting back for them. I think the Democrat politicians are always aligned, more to go Whether they stick together, and I think that’s kind of what’s happening, I think Trump Love him or hate him. I think he gave them their voice. Like where they started to push back more. And I think that’s what’s happening.
I don’t want to focus on Trump. But I do want to invite the Democrats into this conversation. Do you think that the media treats you unfairly? Do you think that people yelled at you more? You heard what the Republicans say? They say that they’re not represented, apparently, Democrats, do you think you’re represented fairly? Lauren,
so I consider myself more of a progressive and liberal moreso than a Democrat, but just for me, the United States, even our liberals and progressives, they’re more moderate and more conservative than what being liberal or progressive would entail. And I did just want to quickly if I could, can I answer the question about why I think maybe Republicans weren’t as receptive to that call?
I think Republicans gonna get really mad at you for doing it.
I know. And this isn’t this isn’t. This isn’t accusatory, but it is my belief, I feel that Republicans are less likely to come together with those that they, you know, disagree with, rather than Democrats or progressives, I feel like progressives and Democrats, even if it’s not applied, they they want they have that, you know, that bleeding heart, they want to be optimistic and want to be inclusive. That’s that’s sort of my opinion. Ryan,
I was Spencer Cox ads so favorable to you.
It was favorable, because I felt like it was very engaging, almost like he had a resting smile, he had a sense of optimism. And I didn’t know who he was. So for me, he was a blank slate, he could have been a Republican or a Democrat, and independent, I didn’t know. And I liked the fact that I didn’t know what his party affiliation was. Brooke, why
was it so positive for you,
I just feel like particularly like, I’m from Nashville, and like, it’s kind of a blue city and a state of red. And everyone used to get along very well at function. And now like, it’s like city versus state, it’s gotten so people can’t even talk. And so to be able to discuss, like things that are important to our city, not just the country and not be able to talk I think is, I would like to see more of that.
There were two moments during the session that were particularly insightful. The First Lady of Utah talked about leaving the world a better place than what you found it. And that elicited a cacophony of positive reactions. The other was a comment by Colorado Governor Jared Polis, appealing to people to love each other more. Let’s listen to their response. How
he does disagreement, to me looks like sitting down with somebody that is different from me sitting down, and having a conversation with somebody that has a completely different story. We may think we disagree. And in a lot of ways, we do but there are so many ways that we come together as humans, and I think those disagreements sort of dissipate when we connect heart to heart and human to human. And that’s why I think it’s hard to hate up close, it’s really hard. For me, when I put a human face to an issue or a problem, all of a sudden, I’m seeing somebody’s story. I can’t hate and I think most people can’t do that. We have to make a change. We can’t continue down this path. And we don’t want to leave a hopeless and and and a sad and divided world for our children. And I think it’s it’s incumbent upon all of us to work together to solve the these, these divides and solve these problems are coming together to make that happen. Because we owe it to the next generation to leave this place better than we found it.
To leave this one second. To leave this place better than we found it was one of the most powerful statements of everything that you looked at in terms of your reaction. Can I get a few of you to explain why that phrase matters so much to you? Anybody?
Yeah, I feel like her overall message reminds us of our own humanity, that we’re human that at the end of the day, any politician goal is to improve our lives. As humans we focus on that central message regardless of the approach that we take, whether we’re Republican or Democrat, Independent. At the end of the day, the goal is to make lives better for human and that’s what she kind of underscored.
Carolyn, why did that matter so much to you?
Leaving the world a better place that I found it is something I think about a lot because I have a 15 year old daughter, and I’m looking around and seeing how I feel like some of our rights are being eroded away. And I don’t want that to happen for her or her children. So I absolutely agree. with that statement,
David, when I hear a politician say that they want to leave the world a better place than what they found, it tells me that they’re thinking about something other than themselves. And I think that’s important for us to recognize that, that a politician isn’t enough just for themselves. Because, sadly, I think sometimes politicians are more concerned about themselves and what they want than what’s better for the country.
Anybody else want to respond?
Yeah, actually, I think of human relations would be a lot better if everybody were to use follow the golden rule. So your strict others where you would like to be treated or don’t do tours when you don’t want them to do to you. I mean, you use follow that and everything will fall in place.
Okay, Shannon, go ahead.
How I listened to this message, and again, I teared up at times, it seemed like we are taking the worst behavior of a certain group. Or I’m sorry, we’re taking the worst behavior of a group that somebody is committed. And we have the smallest percentage of that group. And then we apply that stereotype tire group, we’re not communicating as people. We’re blaming more than listening. And we’re not we’re not talking. I see people. And I’ve said this, since this all started. I see people talk online in ways that I hoped they would never talk that way in public. That makes sense. If we were having coffee somewhere in a diner, I would hope that the kinds of conversations I see on social media would not be the way that we would communicate with one another.
So why did that message cause you to tear up?
Because she’s right? I hope that we learned how to communicate, I hope we learn how to listen, and how to have empathy, and how to remember to care about one another again. And just because I disagree with somebody doesn’t mean I hate them. It does not mean they’re the enemy. We I think we I shouldn’t say we it just it appears to me like it’s just too easy to box everybody up. And we’ve we’re still human beings.
But I have a question. Sorry. But just like the other the other video we saw before this Republican was a relatively less with Republican. And, you know, part of Republican ism is the belief that you are responsible for yourself individual responsibility, there’s this rugged, rugged individualism inherent in your belief system. So I’ve got to ask Republicans in the call, do you believe what she said? Do you have? Do you have to leave the world a better place? Or do you just have to leave it better for your family and your friends or with with the
I would say, I want to believe it? I want to believe that but I’m skeptical.
Yeah, no, I, I Yes. I believe I’m because I’m a Republican, but that’s not who I am. First, that you know what I mean? Like that’s, I’m a human first. And I’m a mom. And so yes, I when I see, I don’t watch the news around my children. Because it’s so negative and divisive. So yes, I would love for it to get a lot better for my kids. And yes, I believe in serving others. And I might not believe in like collectively as collectivism. But I believe that yes, you should help others. Okay,
we’re going to show you one more. And then when we go to the political ads, you know, tell me about those. Let’s see 111 That did? Well.
You know, people across our country have always had disagreements about issues. But what’s most important is how you resolve those differences. And that’s where as a country, we need to do better. And this initiative from Governor Cox is really about helping ensure that people can come together to have discussions and disagreements the right way. Rather than engaging in name calling and worse, it’s important to listen to all sides because all of the deeply held opinions that people hold can’t really come from a place of caring, a place of love, and making sure that we don’t cast aspersions on the motivations of other people. Try to cut to the issues and work out where we can how we can make life better. I would ask Americans to love one another to reach out to your neighbors, your friends, your others who might not agree with you on every issue and realize that they love America. We all love this great country and we want the best for it. And that’s something that fundamentally unites us together. We can disagree better.
He said the word love several times. Raise your hand And if he responded favorably to that? And raise your hands if he’s responded negatively to that. Okay, three of you tell me why it’s a positive phrase for you in this in this discussion.
I think it’s because we all love America, we all want the best for America, because we’re the leading country in at the end of the day, love, and we have disagreed in the past, but we were able to go get past that, and agree to disagree and be more effective than what we are now.
To more of you tell me why love is a positive emotion in this context.
To me, it was just like loving the community and assuming everyone else has that feeling to and that made me feel good.
When they do did was effective was he not only talked about love, but he gave examples of how to exhibit that.
Now three of you, because there were more who said Love was the negative three of you tell me why it was a negative in this context.
Yeah. So when he says, Everyone loves this country, country, I reject the premise, I fundamentally believe that there are factions within both parties that are hell bent on destroying and reshaping America in their own image.
To more of you,
I will not look for a politician, I’m not looking for someone to, for the express love, I’m looking for him to express respect, I think you can have two different things. And I’m not, I feel like love is a little too touchy feely. Well, with respect. It’s more of I’m looking for a business like atmosphere when it comes from politician.
At the end of our conversation, I wanted our panelists to tell the governors, what mattered to them most what advice they would give, if their governor was right there in the room with them. The overwhelming response, just get it done. The governors of America are listening to you. And they want to get your advice in a sensor too, could you please deliver a piece of advice to your governor about what they can do for your state, your family and your future? Shannon, I’m gonna start with you
used to be that, that governors and people would communicate with one another and they would say I can work with someone on this issue. I don’t hear that anymore. I don’t hear our governors, talk to them about how they can work with people that they might disagree with. That is something I would really like to hear it is the I’m Old Enough. I guess. I can remember when politicians used to say I can work across the aisle with somebody on this issue. I don’t hear that anymore.
David, what advice would you give to your governor about the political environment, the discourse, the dialogue, the debate,
I would tell my governor that I want to see them working together. And even when there’s a disagreement, that they can still stand shoulder to shoulder and communicate their opinions one way or another. Margaret,
like them to listen to their constituents. I want them to listen to the public opinions, have open forums, maybe take questions, just be available to your your people, Jonathan.
So I have the sentiment that Republicans and Democrats only work together when there’s a natural disaster. My advice would be to work to treat all issues like a natural disaster, treat the economy like a natural disaster, treat immigration, like a natural disaster, because human lives are at stake. And bipartisanship is necessary for us to collectively move forward.
Marilyn
disagreeing better is one thing, but building consensus is where you actually exercise that and in in Georgia, we have a big divide between blue Atlanta and the rest of the state. So I would like to see more consensus building.
Daniel, what advice would you give your governor just
want them to listen and to work with everybody across the state, no matter what side you’re on? Because I think that in the elections, like the slim slimness of how you’re out voted, you know, like it’s not like you’re winning 75% or 25%. You’re winning by a very slim margin. So if you’re not listening to everybody, you’re leaving out a lot of people
listening when you think of political discourse, what advice would you give your governor
do continue to stay on The ground and listen to all constituents, regardless if they voted for her or not, and to continue listening to them and respecting their opinions. Roxanne,
when you think of public discourse debility respect debate, what advice would you give your governor,
you can agree to disagree. But you need to come with a healthy solution. And this is for the better of your people that they represent. Finally,
the message of disagree better resonated with just about everyone, in fact that people weren’t just feeling better about the upcoming election. They feel better about their own country. But spoiler alert, the consequences to America if they don’t get this right, if they fail, or pretty dire. Why? Let’s listen. I got a very tough question to end this conversation. What happens if America doesn’t learn how to disagree better? What happens to America? If this effort fails? Please tell me.
I think worst case scenario, we may see the precursor to say, I don’t think it’d be a civil war, like we saw two years ago, but it will be very contentious. And it’s not something it’s something that makes me worry about my kids future, you know, turn us around soon. Yeah, and
what happens if we fail?
Um, I agree with Stephen, I used to think that the whole Civil War talk was, like rural out there. But now I’m, I’m getting a bit concerned about it.
Brooke, what happens if we fail? I
think you’re just gonna end up with like, people who can’t live together saying I’m gonna move to another state because that’s more aligned with my views of the world. And I would prefer the people to live together
or not what happens if we fail?
We would continue to be more divided and more polarized. And if we, I don’t know how we could have a civil war, because we’re living right next to each other, when our neighbors may disagree with us. And if it gets worse than what what happens to our communities that will all go downhill if
we fail at this initiative to help people disagree better. What happens if, again, what happens if we fail? David?
I think realistically, the worst case scenario is going to be more violence and perhaps rioting. But I would hope that some of our leaders would be that they would lead by example. Margaret,
there’ll be a lot of discord in Congress, that they a lot of fighting and between senators and I think the public, slight civil, I think Civil War is upon us right now. Uh, but I don’t know how far we will get right now doing that.
Like we may lose our place in the global spotlight, where we’re no longer that beacon of hope, or the place where people want to come to because they want a new life or a better life. Maria,
I’ve been talking to my first one or the last weeks months, a lot of people they own guns special here in Texas. And I’ve been telling him I’m really amazed that so far, people are not out there shooting other people, when they get so desperate that they think the vote doesn’t get counted correctly. And I don’t know we’re buying a lot more munitions.
Well, Maria, I’m gonna stop there because I can’t imagine it being any worse than that. Can we learn to disagree better? Time will tell. One thing is certainly if we don’t, this is going to be a very, very long election year, with even more problems with our democracy in the years ahead. Unfortunately, that’s all the time we have, on behalf of the team here at America speaks right here on Schrader renews Have a wonderful day.

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