Everyone, Peter resign here still in Monterey. That’s my plane right there. We just got delayed for another hour. Anyway, on the topic of waiting, where is this ridiculous idea of a COVID recovery for the Chinese, I mean, come on, it’s been six months, I would argue that you really shouldn’t wait for it any longer, there’s a number of things that are going on that are structural for the Chinese system that aren’t going to fix by anything as a minor is reopening. Most Chinese economic growth has been caused over the years by either investment in industrial plant to serve external markets or the production of goods to serve those external markets. So basically think of offshoring on short, that has been a lot of the growth story, and especially the technological advance for these past 20 years. That is probably peaked a few things. Number one, the world and especially the United States has turned sharply anti Chinese when it comes to investments. And so there’s a lot more effort to do things with friends or at home, or at least nearby, biggest beneficiaries of that so far have not just been the United States, but Mexico and Vietnam, nothing’s changing their second, the production costs in the United States as system in terms of energy and labor, productivity, everything are lower than they are in China. So there are very, very few industries that have tried to move out of China back to the United States and discovered that it’s been anything other than a wondrous experience. I’m third, there’s a personal personnel angle here, when you’re going to drop a billion dollars in a country in order to do a big investment, you know, you kind of go and scattered around first. And because of COVID, no American CEOs went to the country for the entirety of calendar year 2020 2021, or 2022. If they did, they were subjected to the joys of an literally an anal probe to check them for COVID. We like to call this an economic parlance, a non tariff barrier. Well, the average turnover for an American CEO is five years. And if for three, three and a half years, you couldn’t even get there. Well, the personal connection, we’re CEOs would link their personal performance professionally, to some sort of activity in China. Well, that’s, that’s all gone. And so we’ve seen interest at the corporate level drop as well. On top of that, it’s turning out that the Chinese demographic picture is significantly worse than anyone thought worse than the Chinese thought that it’s not so much that the Chinese population became older than the average American in 2018, and was passed by by the Indian population in 2022. But those milestones probably happened a decade ago, if you look at the new data that’s coming out of the Chinese. So the economic case, isn’t there. The personal case, isn’t there, the investment case isn’t there. And that’s before you consider the Chinese have kind of become a bag of dicks in international diplomacy. This whole wolf warrior approach has soured a lot of people and made it less likely for Chinese tourists to be welcomed and less likely for countries to be interested in seeking that at all. So when you look at flights in and out of China to other countries, the global average is only about 40 to 50%, of pre pandemic levels. So there hasn’t been that kind of burst of revenge tourism, that we’ve seen a lot of places, and flights to and from the United States where the business is done. That’s only 6% of preach COVID levels. So we’ve had a significant shift of mindsets on all sides. And with the demographic collapse, meaning that consumption led growth was never possible, again, in China at bulk. Anyway, it really shouldn’t be a surprise that the Chinese are proving unable to have a post COVID Bump, which means we’re very close to a post COVID Slide, assuming nothing else goes wrong. And a lot of other things are going wrong. All right. See if I have another delay here, Tibet finally boarded. Oh, yeah. One more thing. We don’t know how many people all right. We don’t know how many people died in China’s COVID experience. So assuming that the anti vaxxers are right. And this has never been worse than a common cold. That was a million people. Dead people don’t spend money. People who survived it, people tend to be kind of down in the dumps for a little bit of time. So the idea that there was ever going to be a big economic boom was trying to open kind of throws in the face of, you know, logic and emotion, demographics and trade and a few other things. Anyway, I’m finally moving now. See it from home. Bye bye.
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When China’s “zero-COVID” policy was virtually abandoned in December 2022, there were hopes of economic boom times for the world’s second-largest economy. With weakening factory output and sluggish consumer spending, it’s become increasingly obvious the rosy forecast won’t pan out as expected. Straight Arrow News contributor Peter Zeihan explains why China is not experiencing the post-COVID bump some initially predicted.
Excerpted from Peter’s June 12 “Zeihan on Geopolitics” newsletter:
As countries across the globe peeled back COVID restrictions, many of those economies saw huge (and much-needed) bumps. With China approaching six months since lifting its lockdown, the question on everyone’s mind is why hasn’t the world’s second-largest economy seen an economic bump?
I won’t hold my breath, and the Chinese shouldn’t, either. There is simply too much going on in the Chinese system for reopening to fix everything magically. Between countries pulling their manufacturing needs from China in favor of reshoring, a growing anti-China sentiment, and a terminal demographic situation…China isn’t looking so hot.
It shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that China isn’t going to be getting a post-COVID bump. In all likelihood, they are probably going to experience an economic slump.
Everyone, Peter resign here still in Monterey. That’s my plane right there. We just got delayed for another hour. Anyway, on the topic of waiting, where is this ridiculous idea of a COVID recovery for the Chinese, I mean, come on, it’s been six months, I would argue that you really shouldn’t wait for it any longer, there’s a number of things that are going on that are structural for the Chinese system that aren’t going to fix by anything as a minor is reopening. Most Chinese economic growth has been caused over the years by either investment in industrial plant to serve external markets or the production of goods to serve those external markets. So basically think of offshoring on short, that has been a lot of the growth story, and especially the technological advance for these past 20 years. That is probably peaked a few things. Number one, the world and especially the United States has turned sharply anti Chinese when it comes to investments. And so there’s a lot more effort to do things with friends or at home, or at least nearby, biggest beneficiaries of that so far have not just been the United States, but Mexico and Vietnam, nothing’s changing their second, the production costs in the United States as system in terms of energy and labor, productivity, everything are lower than they are in China. So there are very, very few industries that have tried to move out of China back to the United States and discovered that it’s been anything other than a wondrous experience. I’m third, there’s a personal personnel angle here, when you’re going to drop a billion dollars in a country in order to do a big investment, you know, you kind of go and scattered around first. And because of COVID, no American CEOs went to the country for the entirety of calendar year 2020 2021, or 2022. If they did, they were subjected to the joys of an literally an anal probe to check them for COVID. We like to call this an economic parlance, a non tariff barrier. Well, the average turnover for an American CEO is five years. And if for three, three and a half years, you couldn’t even get there. Well, the personal connection, we’re CEOs would link their personal performance professionally, to some sort of activity in China. Well, that’s, that’s all gone. And so we’ve seen interest at the corporate level drop as well. On top of that, it’s turning out that the Chinese demographic picture is significantly worse than anyone thought worse than the Chinese thought that it’s not so much that the Chinese population became older than the average American in 2018, and was passed by by the Indian population in 2022. But those milestones probably happened a decade ago, if you look at the new data that’s coming out of the Chinese. So the economic case, isn’t there. The personal case, isn’t there, the investment case isn’t there. And that’s before you consider the Chinese have kind of become a bag of dicks in international diplomacy. This whole wolf warrior approach has soured a lot of people and made it less likely for Chinese tourists to be welcomed and less likely for countries to be interested in seeking that at all. So when you look at flights in and out of China to other countries, the global average is only about 40 to 50%, of pre pandemic levels. So there hasn’t been that kind of burst of revenge tourism, that we’ve seen a lot of places, and flights to and from the United States where the business is done. That’s only 6% of preach COVID levels. So we’ve had a significant shift of mindsets on all sides. And with the demographic collapse, meaning that consumption led growth was never possible, again, in China at bulk. Anyway, it really shouldn’t be a surprise that the Chinese are proving unable to have a post COVID Bump, which means we’re very close to a post COVID Slide, assuming nothing else goes wrong. And a lot of other things are going wrong. All right. See if I have another delay here, Tibet finally boarded. Oh, yeah. One more thing. We don’t know how many people all right. We don’t know how many people died in China’s COVID experience. So assuming that the anti vaxxers are right. And this has never been worse than a common cold. That was a million people. Dead people don’t spend money. People who survived it, people tend to be kind of down in the dumps for a little bit of time. So the idea that there was ever going to be a big economic boom was trying to open kind of throws in the face of, you know, logic and emotion, demographics and trade and a few other things. Anyway, I’m finally moving now. See it from home. Bye bye.
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